tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13751430.post115304268744011146..comments2023-10-16T08:00:03.188-07:00Comments on Jew is Beautiful: OrthodoxJewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499891102052725678noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13751430.post-1153428443800404912006-07-20T13:47:00.000-07:002006-07-20T13:47:00.000-07:00Yah, me too, but then it made sense right away. I...Yah, me too, but then it made sense right away. If you've read any Rabbi Kahane you'll see that he is quite unfavorable towards the liberal intellegentsia. The shocking thing is that you would expect Said to welcome them with open arms, at least outwardly, because they supposedly love Arabs. But, to my slight surprise, Said also disliked, and ironically, for the SAME reasons that Rabbi Kahane did. I had to sit on that for a second to understand that; how could it be that they both dislike the same liberal intellegentsia for the same reason? Then it hit me, what Rabbi Kahane said about the Arab Israeli viewpoint in quote two is right on the target and quite SENSITIVE to the other's sentiment - quite surprising for an Orthodox exremist Jew hater, no? He gave voice to the Arab greivance quite well, that the democratic nature of the State of Israel runs counter to its right to be a Jewish state, and one of those realities will replace the other. Theoretically they can both exist, but in practice and with the Arabs there not ready or willing to live under a true Jewish sovereign, have not let it happened. They understand that living under a Jewish sovereign would mean limited civil rights for them, as they already have in Israel - it would be a situation like dhimmitude, which was the limited civil rights that Jews had while living in Islamic states. They could not accept a Jewish version of dhimmitude, it would be the ultimate insult for them and that's what both Rabbi Kahane and Said are saying, which I think is incredibly interesting. Perhaps it gives some credence to a concept when two people who are, for practical purposes, opposites, come to the same conclusion about one matter without colluding. It is something that the Arabs in Israel are constantly aware of, their unhappy situation, and simultaneously something that the Israeli left wants to deny, and again, both Rabbi Kahane and Said are trying to expose that. Very interesting.<BR/>Yaniv...OrthodoxJewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499891102052725678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13751430.post-1153385741450199392006-07-20T01:55:00.000-07:002006-07-20T01:55:00.000-07:00Wow. I should not be surprised to see such, but I...Wow. I should not be surprised to see such, but I was.Netanyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11179532069313798530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13751430.post-1153098585067509112006-07-16T18:09:00.000-07:002006-07-16T18:09:00.000-07:00Actually, I should amend my statement. I haven't ...Actually, I should amend my statement. I haven't read much of Said, but I have the feeling that he probably gives equal criticism to both liberal and conservative Jews because they are both party to an entity with which he disagrees. So Kahane and Said intersect on their views on liberal Jews, but Said might believe, and probably does, that Israeli ideology is irrelevant as a whole because Israel is invalid, kind of like the attitude of a rapist as he commits that act; does the rapee really care to distinguish between the rapist's intentions?OrthodoxJewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499891102052725678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13751430.post-1153098304757443902006-07-16T18:05:00.000-07:002006-07-16T18:05:00.000-07:00Really? I see it a bit differently. To me it see...Really? I see it a bit differently. To me it seems that both agree on a few fundamental things, the major one being that both agree that the Arabs believe the Jews don't belong in Israel, or that Israel should be not be sovereign. Rabbi Meir Kahane, in quote two, gives voice to the prime Arab greivance, inequality in Israel, and it is the same greivance that Said gives voice to. Also, I know that Kahane had a thing against liberal Jews, and that's why it's so interesting when Said made a claim that liberal Jews (i.e. Peace Now) were his prime opponents when critizing the Peace Process. If we can glean anything from that, maybe it's that both see liberal Jews/Israelis as overly naive and optimistic that peace is relatively easy to acheive between Israelis and Palestinians. What I mean is, both seem to believe that liberal Jews are eager to paint this happy picture for the Middle East, and both Kahane and Said have greivances with them, saying that they are ignoring the deeper realities that the status quo needs to change. Hehe, the difference between them is their disagreement about what the status quo is, and therefore how it needs to change and to what, but they both signal out the LIBERALS, not the CONSERVATIVES. I only realized that during this Shabbat as I was reading from Said's book (I read "They Must Go some time ago). Anyway, that's what I was trying to verbalize, and I didn't really in the post.<BR/><BR/>Peace, Yaniv...OrthodoxJewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499891102052725678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13751430.post-1153071003290575682006-07-16T10:30:00.000-07:002006-07-16T10:30:00.000-07:00the same way truth can come from many sources and ...the same way truth can come from many sources and is recognizable despite the different forms it takes, i guess its the same with lies or fanaticism .. it doesnt surprise me that their comments are interchangeable, to me they come from the same source of fear and closedmindednessanonym00kiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14645059041671468011noreply@blogger.com