Monday, January 29, 2007

Three Human Beings and One Suicide Bomber in Eilat Dead -

So I have an idea of how to settle this. What do you with a population in which there is a population who has turned death into victory and the rest of the population treats their death as victory as well? The answer is this; the murderers will never stop until they have a reason to stop, and they won't have a reason to stop until Palestinian society has a vested interest in stopping. Since the dead are seen as victors, it is the living that must feel the pressure and perhaps then they will put pressure on the terrorists to stop, because nothing else seems to work. So the idea is like this; for every suicide bomber, a few innocent families are expelled from either the home town of the bomber or somewhere where there is known terrorist activity. However, from a practical perspective it is probably impossible to expel only a few families (remember the Gaza Pullout - it would have been impossible there too to pull out only a few families), so a whole village or town would have to be expelled, and again, it's not impossible if we remember how it was done with the Jews in Gaza. The murderers target innocent Israeli civilian populations, so Israel has to target innocent civilian Palestinian populations; the key is that innocent Palestinians having absolutely nothing to do with terrorism feel the pressure, and then they will begin to agitate against the terrorists. This is what happened in Lebanon when Israel started bombing them; the innocents started resisting against Hezball-ah, and they stopped bombing Israel.

We dare not commit the double standard of saying that Palestinian lives are more valuable than Israeli lives; it is not right for one to do whatever it wants to the other while the other cannot defend itself. שלום Peace


Olof said...

Hi Yaniv,

There are a few problems with this reasoning. At present the innocent Arab families are already under immence pressure:

1) Pressure from the terror organizations. Fail to obey them and you are branded a traitor and you die.

2) Pressure from the criminal Arab mobs who are blooming in the prevalent power vacuum.

3) Pressure from the errupting Arab civil war in Aza.

4) Pressure from Israels necessary Anti-terror measures (roadblocks, the seccurity fence, etc...)

I think that your suggested solution would be severely counterproductive and drive more and more people to the extemists. I think most ordinary Arabs in Israel are passive because they are are exhausted and scared.

Also I can not accept the idea of knowlingly and deliberately target innocent people for punishment. Nor can I find it to be hallachically permisable.

Punishment - and it must be very harch - should be on the guilty. And the guilty abound: There are the people who brainwash and and equip the suicide murderers, plan these hideous acts of terror, engineer the bombs, provide training and logistics.

These are the ones that should get a one-way ticket to hell for what they are doing to our people. And for what they are doing to their own.

Sholem Aleichem,


jjew said...

Thank you, Olof, for posting, you brought up good points. I would like to focus more on the four points you mentioned. But before that, I feel it's necessary to add that this post was written with a measure of anger to it, and I was aware that it was inflammatory, but I feel that's OK if we are living beings who have a vested interest in our lives.

I think that points 1 and 2 are actually the same point because it is likely that the amount of "interaction" and cooperation between the angry mobs you mentioned and terrorist organizations amounts to them being two groups separated by a very thin line. Further, terrorist organizations probably daily look to the youth from these angry mobs to be the next terrorists and militants, therefore, the two groups seem to blend, to a degree, not fully, into one combined group. It is important for us to be able to make the distinctions between terrorists and angry mobs, but it would be foolish of us to pretend that there is no "crossover" while the Arabs involved know full well that there is. How long should we let them lie to us as if we are naive about what they are doing away from our eyes? Our existence and well-being is at stake, not to mention, the truth that G-d wants to make Israel a resting Place for Him; Palestinian (Islamic) politics is an obstruction for that realization.

As far as for number 2, the way I see to remedy that problem would be for Arabs to take a stand against the mobs and to show that the average civilian finds them unacceptable. Now, I am aware of the reaction you might have to what I said, that there are plenty of Palestinians who do want to see a difference but they are afraid for their lives, and I think that's true and that they are rightful in having that concern. However, when such a negative overarching reality such as the choke-hold that the terrorists and/or angry mobs have over Palestinian society can only be loosened when Palestinians decide to take a stance against it. Nobody says it's going to be easy or peaceful, but historical changes never occur (without miracles) without the type of effort I am talking about. The Arabs have dug a nice pit for the Palestinians and have thrown them in there with the illusion that the Palestinians will rise above the Israeli oppressor and destroy him. Instead, the Palestinians are suffering daily, and the fear and pride in the Arab world, mixed with the hatred for Israel, prevents them from lambasting their Arab brothers and instead they deflect it onto Israel. I speak for them and for us when I say that their lives will not get better until they take the proper stands that they have to, and our lives won't get better (it seems) until they take those stances. There is nothing Israel can do except for helping them along the way, which they have tried, but the Palestinians need to begin walking down that path before Israel is really able to aid them down it. Otherwise, it seems like Israel is pushing them towards a destination that they don't want to be in and that further inflames their lack of trust for Israel. The other option would have been to avoid this altogether by expelling the Arabs from Israel after the 6 Day War, but instead Israel tried to neutralize the Arabs, who were under Jordanian rule (and education) for 19 years. Since that's not the reality today, we have to live with it and do what we can, which is what I believe what I just mentioned.

We cannot punish the guilty when they live in the same houses as the innocent. And we can also not punish the guilty when punishment makes them out to be martyrs. Yes, you're right, only some of them deserve a one-way ticket to hell, but the Israeli army, unlike G-d, does not have the Divine Hashgacha to cherry-pick between the rasha'im and the tmimim.

Hey, may you have just nachat in your life and may we see Mashiach tomorrow. Peace, Yaniv...

jjew said...

Oh yes, #3 is a function of the power vacuum you expressed in #2, and #4 is a function of both #'s 1 and 2. All of this is related and holistic. Aleychem Shalom, Yaniv...